Joseph B. “J.B.” Saunders Sr.

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Claim ledger

Every exported claim about this person: what it says, how strong its best source is (tier 1 = original record image, 5 = unsourced lead), its review state, and the sources that carry it. Source links open the workings page for that citation.

Conflicts and open questions

• Conflict conflict:saunders-generations-fay-relationship (open)

  Three readings of the Saunders generations stand on this line and none is accepted. (A) The site owner's testimony of October 8, 2026 identifies Joseph B. Saunders Sr. (1861–1933) as Easter Fay Frisby's brother and Thomas N. Frisby's great-uncle, and his son Joseph Benjamin Saunders Jr. (1901–1989) as Thomas's cousin; it is carried by a sibling claim held at conditional with review "deferred", so that reading reaches no public read model and this description is the only place a public reader can see it. (B) Thomas N. Frisby's family manuscript and emails read the generations the other way — Jr. as Easter Fay's brother and Thomas's great-uncle, Sr. as the father of both — and are carried by claim:jb-saunders:sibling-of:1 and claim:joseph-b-saunders-sr:parent-of:2, the two conditional claims this ledger exports. (A) and (B) are both tier-4 family testimony from different family members, and they contradict each other. (C) The documentary transcriptions inspected on 2026-10-08 and re-opened on 2026-10-09 agree with (B) rather than with (A): Easter Fay's 1982 obituary transcription names a surviving brother “J. B. Saunders of Houston” while Sr. died in 1933 and Jr. died at Houston in 1989; her death-certificate index transcription names her father Joseph B Saunders; and all four siblings her obituary names appear in Sr.'s own list of children on his memorial. That reading is held as a second, unaccepted candidate claim, entered at needs-verification and deferred so this ledger can show the documentary side without presenting it as settled. But (C) is tier-3 contributor-maintained compilation throughout and proves nothing by itself: Easter Fay is not listed among Sr.'s children, no Frisby of any kind appears anywhere on either Saunders memorial, “McQuatters” is on neither, the two tier-2 institutional profiles of Jr. name no sister and no Frisby, and her certificate (no. 86199) and every census image remain unopened. So (C) does not refute (A). Easter Fay's Texas death certificate no. 86199, a census image of the Saunders household naming her, or Joseph B. Saunders Sr.'s own 1933 obituary — the one document that could name his surviving siblings — decides it. The disagreement between the owner's own October 2026 answer and the reading the records now export is an open question for the owner (see the Frisby research packet, conflicts-and-questions.md section H). While this conflict stands, no Saunders kinship on this line may reach confirmed, and none may be promoted, reversed or deleted in either direction.

  • claim:jb-saunders:sibling-of:1 conditional sibling-of Easter Fay Frisby
  • claim:joseph-b-saunders-sr:parent-of:2 conditional parent-of Easter Fay Frisby

• Question question:thomas-n-frisby:parentage (open)

  What documentary chain connects the Saunders family to Thomas Newton Frisby? His Texas birth certificate now confirms A.J. Frisby and Thelma Jean Karr as his parents, while Tom Frisby's manuscript and family emails provide the remaining family testimony for Fay → A.J. and J.B. Saunders Jr. as Fay's brother and Thomas's great-uncle.

  Next: The Thomas parentage portion is answered by Texas birth certificate K6GF-MKL. Resolve only the remaining Saunders generation reading with Easter Fay's Texas death certificate no. 86199, the 1900 Hill County and 1910/1920 Saunders census images, Joseph B. Saunders Sr.'s obituary/death record, and a full copy of Joseph Benjamin Saunders Jr.'s 1989 obituary. Do not expand A.J.'s initials or promote Saunders kinship without those records.

  • claim:allen-james-frisby:parent-of:1 confirmed A.J. Frisby: parent-of Thomas Newton Frisby
  • claim:thelma-kerr-frisby:parent-of:1 confirmed Thelma Jean Karr Frisby: parent-of Thomas Newton Frisby
  • claim:faye-frisby:parent-of:1 supported Easter Fay Frisby: parent-of A.J. Frisby
  • claim:allen-james-frisby:spouse-of:1 supported A.J. Frisby: spouse-of Thelma Jean Karr Frisby
  • claim:thomas-david-frisby:spouse-of:1 supported Thomas David Frisby: spouse-of Easter Fay Frisby
  • claim:thomas-david-frisby:parent-of:1 supported Thomas David Frisby: parent-of A.J. Frisby
  • claim:joseph-b-saunders-sr:parent-of:2 conditional Joseph B. “J.B.” Saunders Sr.: parent-of Easter Fay Frisby
  • claim:jb-saunders:sibling-of:1 conditional Joseph Benjamin “J.B.” Saunders Jr.: sibling-of Easter Fay Frisby
  • claim:thomas-n-frisby:associated-with:2 conditional Thomas Newton Frisby: associated-with Joseph Benjamin “J.B.” Saunders Jr. (lead)

• Question question:faye-frisby:saunders-generation (open)

  Which Joseph B. Saunders was Easter Fay Frisby's brother: Joseph B. Saunders Sr. (1861–1933), as the family reports, or Joseph Benjamin Saunders Jr. (1901–1989), as her 1982 obituary and his memorial read — and was Sr. therefore her father? This question exists so that the dataset asks it instead of assuming an answer (conflict:saunders-generations-fay-relationship).

  Next: Easter Fay's Texas death certificate no. 86199 (1982), which states her parents at tier 2 and is the single most decisive record on this line; the 1900 census of Hill County, Texas and the 1910 and 1920 census of Tulsa and Creek County, Oklahoma for the Saunders household as images, not name indexes (Fay aged 9 in 1900; a “J B” aged 9 in the 1910 household a contributor transcribes); Joseph B. Saunders Sr.'s own obituary and Oklahoma death record (1933, Creek County) for his children and surviving siblings; Joseph Benjamin Saunders Jr.'s 1989 obituary in a copy that carries the survivors the Find a Grave transcription omits; and Texas and Oklahoma marriage, land and probate records for Joseph B. Saunders and Irene (McQuatters) Saunders, which would tie or untie “McQuatters” from “Irene Imogene”. None of these promotes any kinship down to Thomas N. Frisby, which needs the record named in question:thomas-n-frisby:parentage.

  • claim:joseph-b-saunders-sr:parent-of:1 supported Joseph B. “J.B.” Saunders Sr.: parent-of Joseph Benjamin “J.B.” Saunders Jr.
  • claim:faye-frisby:name:1 supported Easter Fay Frisby: Easter Fay Frisby
  • claim:thomas-n-frisby:associated-with:2 conditional Thomas Newton Frisby: associated-with Joseph Benjamin “J.B.” Saunders Jr. (lead)