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Thomas N. Frisby family emails
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What this record proves
Accepted claims citing this source at confirmed or supported: a source of this tier is a lead, so a claim here is supported only because tier 1–2 evidence it cites alongside this source states it.
| Claim | Person | States | Status | Tier | Review |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
claim:joseph-b-saunders-sr:name:1 | Joseph B. “J.B.” Saunders Sr. | Joseph B. “J.B.” Saunders Sr. | supported | 3 · compiled genealogy | accepted |
claim:jb-saunders:name:1 | Joseph Benjamin “J.B.” Saunders Jr. | Joseph Benjamin “J.B.” Saunders Jr. | confirmed | 2 · official transcript | accepted |
claim:faye-frisby:parent-of:1 | Easter Fay Frisby | parent-of A.J. Frisby | supported | 3 · compiled genealogy | accepted |
claim:allen-james-frisby:spouse-of:1 | A.J. Frisby | spouse-of Thelma Jean Karr Frisby | supported | 1 · original record | accepted |
claim:allen-james-frisby:parent-of:1 | A.J. Frisby | parent-of Thomas Newton Frisby | confirmed | 1 · original record | accepted |
claim:thelma-kerr-frisby:parent-of:1 | Thelma Jean Karr Frisby | parent-of Thomas Newton Frisby | confirmed | 1 · original record | accepted |
What it does not prove
Claims citing this source at reconstructed, conditional or needs-verification, or demoted on review (downgraded): the source is a lead or partial corroboration for these, not proof.
| Claim | Person | States | Status | Tier | Review |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
claim:allen-james-frisby:name:1 | A.J. Frisby | A.J. Frisby | conditional | 3 · compiled genealogy | accepted |
claim:thomas-n-frisby:associated-with:2 | Thomas Newton Frisby | associated-with Joseph Benjamin “J.B.” Saunders Jr. (lead) | conditional | 4 · family testimony | accepted |
claim:jb-saunders:sibling-of:1 | Joseph Benjamin “J.B.” Saunders Jr. | sibling-of Easter Fay Frisby | conditional | 4 · family testimony | accepted |
claim:joseph-b-saunders-sr:parent-of:2 | Joseph B. “J.B.” Saunders Sr. | parent-of Easter Fay Frisby | conditional | 4 · family testimony | accepted |
Open questions touching these claims
What documentary chain connects the Saunders family to Thomas Newton Frisby? His Texas birth certificate now confirms A.J. Frisby and Thelma Jean Karr as his parents, while Tom Frisby's manuscript and family emails provide the remaining family testimony for Fay → A.J. and J.B. Saunders Jr. as Fay's brother and Thomas's great-uncle.
- Status
- open
- Next action
- The Thomas parentage portion is answered by Texas birth certificate K6GF-MKL. Resolve only the remaining Saunders generation reading with Easter Fay's Texas death certificate no. 86199, the 1900 Hill County and 1910/1920 Saunders census images, Joseph B. Saunders Sr.'s obituary/death record, and a full copy of Joseph Benjamin Saunders Jr.'s 1989 obituary. Do not expand A.J.'s initials or promote Saunders kinship without those records.
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Related claims
claim:allen-james-frisby:parent-of:1— A.J. Frisby: parent-of Thomas Newton Frisby confirmedclaim:thelma-kerr-frisby:parent-of:1— Thelma Jean Karr Frisby: parent-of Thomas Newton Frisby confirmedclaim:faye-frisby:parent-of:1— Easter Fay Frisby: parent-of A.J. Frisby supportedclaim:allen-james-frisby:spouse-of:1— A.J. Frisby: spouse-of Thelma Jean Karr Frisby supportedclaim:thomas-david-frisby:spouse-of:1— Thomas David Frisby: spouse-of Easter Fay Frisby supportedclaim:thomas-david-frisby:parent-of:1— Thomas David Frisby: parent-of A.J. Frisby supportedclaim:joseph-b-saunders-sr:parent-of:2— Joseph B. “J.B.” Saunders Sr.: parent-of Easter Fay Frisby conditionalclaim:jb-saunders:sibling-of:1— Joseph Benjamin “J.B.” Saunders Jr.: sibling-of Easter Fay Frisby conditionalclaim:thomas-n-frisby:associated-with:2— Thomas Newton Frisby: associated-with Joseph Benjamin “J.B.” Saunders Jr. (lead) conditional
Which Joseph B. Saunders was Easter Fay Frisby's brother: Joseph B. Saunders Sr. (1861–1933), as the family reports, or Joseph Benjamin Saunders Jr. (1901–1989), as her 1982 obituary and his memorial read — and was Sr. therefore her father? This question exists so that the dataset asks it instead of assuming an answer (conflict:saunders-generations-fay-relationship).
- Status
- open
- Next action
- Easter Fay's Texas death certificate no. 86199 (1982), which states her parents at tier 2 and is the single most decisive record on this line; the 1900 census of Hill County, Texas and the 1910 and 1920 census of Tulsa and Creek County, Oklahoma for the Saunders household as images, not name indexes (Fay aged 9 in 1900; a “J B” aged 9 in the 1910 household a contributor transcribes); Joseph B. Saunders Sr.'s own obituary and Oklahoma death record (1933, Creek County) for his children and surviving siblings; Joseph Benjamin Saunders Jr.'s 1989 obituary in a copy that carries the survivors the Find a Grave transcription omits; and Texas and Oklahoma marriage, land and probate records for Joseph B. Saunders and Irene (McQuatters) Saunders, which would tie or untie “McQuatters” from “Irene Imogene”. None of these promotes any kinship down to Thomas N. Frisby, which needs the record named in question:thomas-n-frisby:parentage.
- Subjects
Related claims
claim:joseph-b-saunders-sr:parent-of:1— Joseph B. “J.B.” Saunders Sr.: parent-of Joseph Benjamin “J.B.” Saunders Jr. supportedclaim:faye-frisby:name:1— Easter Fay Frisby: Easter Fay Frisby supportedclaim:thomas-n-frisby:associated-with:2— Thomas Newton Frisby: associated-with Joseph Benjamin “J.B.” Saunders Jr. (lead) conditional
When did Thelma Jean Karr Frisby live, and does a marriage record name her as A. J. Frisby's wife? Her son's Texas birth certificate now names her as Thomas Newton Frisby's mother, and the 1910 census links her to Millard Eugene Karr's household.
- Status
- open
- Next action
- Search Smith and Grayson County marriage indexes c. 1928–1932 for FRISBY A. J. + KARR/CARR/KERR Thelma; then the Texas Death Index and Tyler cemetery records for a death date. Parentage is answered; the spouse relationship stays supported until a marriage record is read.
- Subjects
Related claims
claim:thelma-kerr-frisby:name:1— Thelma Jean Karr Frisby: Thelma Jean Karr Frisby confirmedclaim:allen-james-frisby:spouse-of:1— A.J. Frisby: spouse-of Thelma Jean Karr Frisby supportedclaim:thelma-kerr-frisby:parent-of:1— Thelma Jean Karr Frisby: parent-of Thomas Newton Frisby confirmed
Conflicts touching these claims
Three readings of the Saunders generations stand on this line and none is accepted. (A) The site owner's testimony of October 8, 2026 identifies Joseph B. Saunders Sr. (1861–1933) as Easter Fay Frisby's brother and Thomas N. Frisby's great-uncle, and his son Joseph Benjamin Saunders Jr. (1901–1989) as Thomas's cousin; it is carried by a sibling claim held at conditional with review "deferred", so that reading reaches no public read model and this description is the only place a public reader can see it. (B) Thomas N. Frisby's family manuscript and emails read the generations the other way — Jr. as Easter Fay's brother and Thomas's great-uncle, Sr. as the father of both — and are carried by claim:jb-saunders:sibling-of:1 and claim:joseph-b-saunders-sr:parent-of:2, the two conditional claims this ledger exports. (A) and (B) are both tier-4 family testimony from different family members, and they contradict each other. (C) The documentary transcriptions inspected on 2026-10-08 and re-opened on 2026-10-09 agree with (B) rather than with (A): Easter Fay's 1982 obituary transcription names a surviving brother “J. B. Saunders of Houston” while Sr. died in 1933 and Jr. died at Houston in 1989; her death-certificate index transcription names her father Joseph B Saunders; and all four siblings her obituary names appear in Sr.'s own list of children on his memorial. That reading is held as a second, unaccepted candidate claim, entered at needs-verification and deferred so this ledger can show the documentary side without presenting it as settled. But (C) is tier-3 contributor-maintained compilation throughout and proves nothing by itself: Easter Fay is not listed among Sr.'s children, no Frisby of any kind appears anywhere on either Saunders memorial, “McQuatters” is on neither, the two tier-2 institutional profiles of Jr. name no sister and no Frisby, and her certificate (no. 86199) and every census image remain unopened. So (C) does not refute (A). Easter Fay's Texas death certificate no. 86199, a census image of the Saunders household naming her, or Joseph B. Saunders Sr.'s own 1933 obituary — the one document that could name his surviving siblings — decides it. The disagreement between the owner's own October 2026 answer and the reading the records now export is an open question for the owner (see the Frisby research packet, conflicts-and-questions.md section H). While this conflict stands, no Saunders kinship on this line may reach confirmed, and none may be promoted, reversed or deleted in either direction.
- Resolution
- open
Claims in conflict
claim:jb-saunders:sibling-of:1— Joseph Benjamin “J.B.” Saunders Jr.: sibling-of Easter Fay Frisby conditionalclaim:joseph-b-saunders-sr:parent-of:2— Joseph B. “J.B.” Saunders Sr.: parent-of Easter Fay Frisby conditional
Evidence tier and review status
This source is tier 4 · family testimony — proves? No, except for living current-family facts. A claim’s tier is the best tier among all its sources, so a claim listed here may sit at a stronger tier than this source when it also cites a stronger record.
| Claim tier | Status | Review | Claims |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 · original record | confirmed | accepted | 2 |
| 1 · original record | supported | accepted | 1 |
| 2 · official transcript | confirmed | accepted | 1 |
| 3 · compiled genealogy | conditional | accepted | 1 |
| 3 · compiled genealogy | supported | accepted | 2 |
| 4 · family testimony | conditional | accepted | 3 |
People, branch and canvas
Each person a citing claim is about, with their profile and their card on the interactive tree.
- A.J. Frisby (canvas)
- Joseph B. “J.B.” Saunders Sr. (canvas)
- Joseph Benjamin “J.B.” Saunders Jr. (canvas)
- Easter Fay Frisby (canvas)
- Thelma Jean Karr Frisby (canvas)
- Thomas Newton Frisby (canvas)
- Mixon and DeCuir chapter — a branch chapter for people these claims are about · chapter reviewed
- Frisby chapter — a branch chapter for people these claims are about · chapter reviewed
- Open the tree on A.J. Frisby — the canvas with the first cited person selected and their evidence open
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